capital of the country which has thee most stringent gun control laws of any city in the country, and that's madness. >> it is madness right now. i mean, dc, in this city, proven that gun bans don't decrease crime, but increase crime. gun bans, lou, make law-abiding citizens less armed and criminals armed who don't buy by the law. the guns criminals use don't get them at gun shows; they are illegal guns they use. lou: the idea that gun control is the solution, the response, and the fact chicago, the murder capital of the world, people are reagenting and not talking about why are we not protecting our young, our vulnerable in public schools. why not security? they could be volunteers, paid security officers. they could be police, law enforcement officers. why not that discussion? >> i don't like the response at all, but something like this happens, the media says what can we do to stop this right now? that's the natural, i think, instincts on the democratic side. i'm not for gun control, but what happened today was such a horrible -- >> don't we have to have a dialogue about it? >> exa